How Do You Do That Then ?

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Permalink Reply by Pamela Heyen on February 4, 2009 at 7:21am

GREAT question Christopher!! I have wondered this myself!

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Permalink Reply by Christopher OV Admin on February 4, 2009 at 7:24am

Thanks Pamela !........you're no help then !!!!........LOL

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Permalink Reply by Pamela Heyen on February 4, 2009 at 8:06am

Christopher...supporting you in your predicament! LOL No sense in being lost in the woods alone!(smile)

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Permalink Reply by Joni on August 15, 2009 at 6:54pm

hehe... see I knew he was the genius...

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Permalink Reply by Christopher OV Admin on February 5, 2009 at 1:39am

Hi Joanna,
Thanks for all your input.
Trust is not a problem for me or is it faith ?.......I feel, I don't hold back, but I must be !.......so how do I not hold back, when I haven't considered this as a problem ?........I think I have let go, but all I get is an abyss of nothingness. Don't get me wrong, it's not a place of despair or anything like that, just a place where all I am aware of is the back of my eye lids ! I do get swirls of colors on occasion but again this is pleasant but of no real meaning to me.

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Permalink Reply by Bernadette Morgan BSc on February 4, 2009 at 8:30am

Hi Christopher

This is an interesting question, are you a visual, kinesthetic, or auditory person? Because to some extent this will govern how you process information and therefore how you relax and let go of things. I teach ThetaHealing and often have students who at first feel inadequate because they are not seeing the amazing pictures that another in the group does, so I explain to them the different ways of processing. Often you will be told to visualise something in various spiritual and meditation classes, but for each of us that is different. For me it is a combination of feelings within my body (kinesthetics) and hearing in my mind (auditory) sometimes I will get a visual cue but often it is a knowingness.

To be able to open your heart or let go you need to understand that your cues may be entirely different from the next persons. You sit there probably trying to open your heart or let go, maybe both together and nothing happens. Therein lies the problem, you are trying, you are allowing your left brain to hold on and analyse what is or is not happening, what you need to do is to stop trying and just allow your mind to stop analysing, take a deep breath in through your nose, hold it for a count of three, and then let it out as a sigh to allow your body to start relaxing. As thoughts enter your head, don't focus on them or try to grasp any of them just let them drift through until your right brain is allowed to step in, your intuitive mind knows how to do these things naturally.

Now imagine a white light coming through the top of your head and travelling through each part of your body, imagine it filling your heart until the light glows out from inside and imagine that travelling through the rest of your body until you are totally filled with light and it shines out through you until you are surrounded completely in that light.

Now this is really important give yourself permission to let go and to open your heart telling yourself that you are totally safe and protected at all times.

The key to any of these things is trust and feeling safe, so you have to trust and feel comfortable with not only the people around you, but also and most importantly yourself. If you can recognise the fear which holds you back from doing this then you can acknowledge it and tell yourself I accept the lesson and now choose to let this go free from the need to keep repeating the same lessons and experiences.

Hope that helps

Love and Light
Bernie

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Permalink Reply by Christopher OV Admin on February 4, 2009 at 12:50pm

I have a degree of kinesthetics .......no visual, no auditory........strange but pleasant sensations all over , but I cannot interpret them. They feel nice, but tell me nothing.
The annoying thing is that I go into meditation giving permission to let go etc, but as always after a pleasant experience, I am none the wiser.

For my sins in meditation groups, I used to make up stories about what happened.......I don't anymore and when I say....."I experienced strange sensations", the teacher says "what did you see, did you talk to your guides?"......I reply "saw nothing and heard nothing"......and then the teacher gives up on me. I just laugh at this now, as I cross another teacher off the list.......and it's a long list !

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Permalink Reply by Bernadette Morgan BSc on February 4, 2009 at 10:10pm

Ok the thing which screams out at me is that you tell me you have a degree of kinesthetics and no visual, no auditory, which means that you are actually telling yourself at the same time as me that you can't do it. If that is what you tell yourself then that is what you will manifest.

I mentioned permission before because you have to tell yourself that you CAN do these things. I attended a Shamanic course many years ago and there were others on the course who would come out with these wonderful stories of what they had seen on their journeying whilst I was getting no pictures not much of anything but I did get these sensations, similar to you. We did various exercises over the months often with drumming and that I found was wonderful because I could allow myself to relax and float as she drummed and things would come to me. Not stories, but on one journey I was aware of a feather not seeing it the way you would in person but in the way that if you think of your best friend you can see their face in your mind.

People often make the mistake of thinking that visualisation is like watching a movie, it isn't, for many of us it is that small flash of knowing and awareness of something and yes we can tell a lot of stories from that without ever seeing it the way you would on a tv screen. I read a book going back a few years now which helped me to develop the ability to visualise it was called "Warriors Settlers and Nomads: Discovering Who We Are and What We Can Be" it was written by someone called Michael Watts. It has various questions and exercises in it to allow us to identify our personality traits and how to utilise them in our everyday lives to be successful at whatever we wish.

The point I am making in a long winded way is that we need to work with what we have whilst telling ourselves all the time that this or that other ability is developing. For me doing ThetaHealing training was the key to removing the last block to my ability to see (this being how I witness the changes within clients as I work with them using quantum energy techniques which I learned during the course). For me witnessing is a mixture of physical sensations, some often quite strong, words in my head, not really a voice just an awareness of words, and sometimes I see something, but it won't be a three dimensional picture it will be an awareness of an image and a complete knowingness of what that is.

It's a shame the teachers gave up on you because it suggests that they have insufficient understanding of the processes to explain them to you. Oh and there is a fighting chance you were not the only one in these classes making things up. A lot of all of this is imagination because that is based on the creative part of you (your right brain) so if you can imagine these things and "make them up" then you are already accessing the parts of your brain which will allow you to do the rest. You just have to tell yourself all the time that you can and then allow yourself to do it instead of analysing it by saying I have a little of this but none of that.

If you had no visualisation skills every second of every day would be a constant shock and surprise to you because you would have no visual records in you mind to know what a house is or a car or a tree. Since you know these things and if you have to think of and draw a tree you can do that as accurately as your drawing skills will allow you are already visualising. It's no great magickal earth shattering metamorphosis which suddenly means you can see in full colour and 3D it's just what your brain does when you tell it you can.

Is that any help?

Apologies that it was so long LOL

Love and Light
Bernie

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Permalink Reply by Christopher OV Admin on February 4, 2009 at 11:12pm

OK.....you say I have convinced myself that I can't do visual and auditory.......well, when I first started, I would go into the meditation repeating "I can do this....I want to see, I want to contact my guides etc".........but then I was told that I was trying too hard and the trying was blocking it !...........I have never worked out whether I should not try or try a bit or whatever !
I've been told to go with no expectations........done that and when I thought about it......if you have no expectations, then you'll get nothing !
I go round and round in circles with this........in non-meditation times !

Another point about me that teachers find hard to believe is that I have never remembered a dream....I was told this can often be a form of spiritual connection.......well as I say, I cannot give one example of a remembered dream.

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Permalink Reply by Bernadette Morgan BSc on February 5, 2009 at 12:39am

OMG you sound exactly like me a few years ago. I remember a dream maybe once in two or three years, if I remember it you know damn well it's precognitive and that I am being told something important which is approaching fast, But for nearly 20 years I did not remember a single dream because I was in a situation where I was repressing who I really was and all my real abilities due to a specific situation and environment which has now been released from my life.

As for the whole no expectations thing it really means not expecting to experience things in a specific way. Yes tell yourself you can but only as a general thing not repeating it as you start an exercise. When you start doing the exercise just relax and let the energy flow, knowing that you can see and experience everything without the need to try, or feel frustrated. The more you try the more you struggle, if you expect to experience things then you will but in your own way which will be entirely different from the way each and every individual experiences it they should be clearer in telling you to have no expectations of what or how you will experience it rather than just saying no expectations because that creates confusion. Sometimes teachers get so caught up in how good they are at these things and how easy it is for them that they forget to learn from their students and develop their ability to help all who come to them to learn. Our students are always our greatest teachers and I learn from each course I teach and each person I encounter in life either socially or as a client.

Dreams are your brain's way of processing the information it receives and releasing the things it does not need. If you are not remembering any dreams ever it could be that your unconscious mind is protecting you from seeing or remembering something which created fear or trauma, maybe in this life maybe in a previous one and to prevent you from re-experiencing that trauma it has walled it up.

When you read a book can you imagine the scenes as you are doing it. I loved the Lord of the Rings because in my mind a knew what Hobbits and Elves looked like, I had my own created visualisation of them. We all do this all the time we just don't realise what it is or name it.

So let's break this down

You know what the things you see in your everyday environment are therefore you already visualise. If I say what does your mother look like? You can describe her without needing to look at a book for reference, but you also know that you don't see a solid image of her in your mind when you are describing her - you don't have to do that by the way it's just an example, you could just as easily visualise an apple, you know what it looks like in your mind and you can create an image of it because your skills are there.

If you try to do these things then you are working at it and it has to be natural for your right brain to take control, you could benefit from hypnosis as it would help you to differentiate between the different ways your brain operates in trance and out of trance, meditation is of course self-hypnosis. I find it easy to believe you never remember dreams, but you can control that too. You can say to yourself each night before you go to sleep tonight I will remember my dreams, it may take a while but eventually one or two will be remembered or you will get a sense of something that you saw maybe even later in the week. It will come but gradually and at a pace you can deal with.

No expectations is does not mean expect nothing it means no expectations of how it will be shown to you.

Also it might seem strange but ask that you be shown the information you need in a form which is easy for you to understand and does not need interpreting. If I get a pain in my back and I think of a specific friend I will call them and ask what they have done to their backs.

The other day I had the urge to call a friend quite late at night so did and asked her why I had been told to call her, she then mentioned some things which had happened during the day and I realised why I had been thinking about this specific thing (a particular type horse) all day. That was my intuition working which is how we do all these things. It's not hard to do it's just sometimes hard to be aware enough of it all to understand what we are being told. That is why they say opening up, because you are opening yourself up to the possibility that the random bizarre thought which just went through your mind may have some significance or that you thought of a raven because there are secrets being kept. It's about how these things make you feel, what you intuit from them.

Oh and a lot of people do not remember dreams, many more than you would think.

xx

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Permalink Reply by Geraint on February 4, 2009 at 10:52am

Christopher this is not the first and definately won't be the last time I have heard this question asked my friend.
What is the right way to do it? Why can't I do it? What is holding me back?

I would like to ask you a series of questions..........please try and answer as openly and honestly as you can....
If you don't feel comfortable answering in front of everyone then please mail me your answers.
If you sense there are some questions you feel uncomfortable answering then don't. (but ask yourself why you feel uncomfortable) If you want to keep the answers to yourself that is o.k. too. The object of this is firstly for you to gain a better understanding of you.This will be your choice, your free will but if you are ready to proceed further then feel free to share your answers with myself or on this thread.

How long have you practiced meditating?

Do you set aside time each day to meditate?

How long do you feel comfortable meditating for?

When you close your eyes what do you see/feel at the time?

When you practice meditation is your mind still or full of chatter?

Where do you do most of your meditating?

Do you try and meditate when you are calm and relaxed?

Without disclosing any information, have you unresolved or supressed issues from within?

What are you searching for?

How well do you know your body, both internally and externally?

This "spiritual connection" you seek, do you enjoy the process of finding out or is it a serious matter for you?

Do you often look for spiritual answers in books or ask others, or do you look within you for them?

How would you describe you intuition?

Do you like/love you for who you are?

How good are you at visualising?



These are just a few questions you can answer.............that is if you want too of course. Remember my friend, once you begin to understand more about you there is no going back to the old you. Embrace both the good, the bad and everything in between.

Sending you positive thoughts

Geraint

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Permalink Reply by Christopher OV Admin on February 4, 2009 at 1:04pm

No problem about answering the questions...
1.Meditating for about 7 years
2.Yes, set time aside each day
3.20 minutes is usual for me.
4.See nothing......do have strange sensations which are pleasant but mean nothing.
5.Fairly still mind and I try to dismiss chatter.
6.Meditate laying down in bed
7.Yes always calm and I relax easily.
8.Without seeming stupid, I don't feel I have unresolved issues
9.Searching for a spiritual connection
10.Biologically I know my body, but I don't know if you mean anything else by that question.
11.Enjoy meditating but don't enjoy the fact that the connection hasn't happened
12.Read the books and thrown them all away......I ask for help but ....nothing as yet.
13.No idea how to describe my intuition.......
14. No problem with like/love myself........though I am introverted and don't enjoy face to face attention.
15. Cannot visualize.

I will add more, but I started this too late and it's now past midnight !

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