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Batman –  Secrets of  the Dark Knight Rises: A slick propaganda device engineered to sell submission and tyranny to the masses.

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Fifteen shot dead at Batman premiere in Denver.

At least 15 people have been shot dead at a Batman film premiere in Denver and as many as 50 injured, according to police.

A masked gunman shot dead at least 14 people and wounded another 50 others at a premiere showing of the new Batman movie in Denver, according to reports.

Local radio reported people running screaming from the Century Aurora 16 Movie Theater in a mall in the suburb of Aurora.

The gunman, reportedly wearing a gas mask, opened fire after the trailers had finished at two packed showings of “The Dark Knight Rises” and also set off a smoke or tear gas bomb.

Warner Bros Censors Review Critical of Dark Knight Rises Just Before Release.

Alex Jones’ review of the film The Dark Knight Rises, hitting theaters Friday, has been blocked inside the United States on copyright claims filed by Warner Bros., despite its having only used short, promotional clips that clearly fall within Fair Use guidelines and 1st Amendment free speech rights.

Below is mirror of Alex’s review. Please share, link and watch before it, too, is blocked or removed from You Tube.

Secrets of Batman The Dark Knight Rises.

Alex Jones decodes the latest installment of Christopher Nolan’s popular Batman series and breaks down the franchise as a slick propaganda device engineered to sell submission and tyranny to the masses.

Bob Kane’s 1939 Caped Crusader comic book hero bares scant resemblance to the modern psychological warfare reincarnation produced by Hollywood in league with the Pentagon and the military industrial complex. The old morality play of good versus evil Kane relied on now comes packaged with subliminal and not so-subliminal messages that condition us to accept all manifestations of the modern technological surveillance state. It instructs us to surrender our birthright of individual liberty and trade it for a false security against manufactured bogeymen.

The Dark Knight Rises is more than simply escapist entertainment. It implants directives deep within our psyche. In order to be successful, the globalist ruling elite require a submissive, distracted, and throughly brainwashed populace. Tyranny must be sold as ever increasingly repressive security against a phantom and intractable terrorism and shadowy villains who are never quite defeated, as they were never quite defeated in Orwell’s Landing Strip One.

Here is the video with Alex Jones

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Except that the numbers are wrong, which makes me not want to read the rest of it. Twelve people lost their lives and 58 were injured. That was enough without adding two or three more dead to the total. At least get your facts straight.

 

Mike Adams has more thought provoking arguments on the matter.

Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged


(NaturalNews) James Holmes, the Aurora, Colorado shooter who reportedly opened fire at a Batman movie premiere, was a medical student at the University of Colorado, pursuing a PhD in neuroscience, reports ABC News. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/mass-shooting-colorado-movie-theater-14-pe...)

As part of the attack, Holmes painted his hair red and referred to himself as "The Joker," one of the arch enemies in the DC Comics-inspired Batman movie series. (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-t...)

According to news reports, this sudden violent rampage was completely out of character for James Holmes, who was described as "shy."

The New York Times is now reporting:
Billy Kromka, a pre-med student at the University of Colorado, Boulder, worked with Mr. Holmes for three months last summer as a research assistant in a lab of at the Anschutz Medical Campus. Mr. Kromka said he was surprised to learn Mr. Holmes was the shooting suspect. "It was just shocking, because there was no way I thought he could have the capacity to do commit an atrocity like this," he said. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html?pa...)

"He spent much of his time immersed in the computer, often participating in role-playing online games..."

There is already conjecture that James Holmes may have been involved in mind-altering neuroscience research and ended up becoming involved at a depth he never anticipated. His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).

His behavior doesn't add up

His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up.

"Holmes was taken into custody shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn't resist when he was arrested," reports a local CBS news affiliate (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/police-14-dead-in-colorado-t...).

"After his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings, police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time."

None of this checks out. If you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?

Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear (and bomb-making skills)

Continuing from CBS:

"He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors during the shooting."

Added on July 22nd: "He allegedly wore a helmet, a throat guard, a ballistic vest, ballistic leggings and gloves and was dressed in black." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explosives-removed-from-jame...)

In other words, this guy was equipped with exotic gear by someone with connections to military equipment. SWAT clothing, explosives, complex booby-traps... c'mon, this isn't a "lone gunman." This is somebody who was selected for a mission, given equipment to carry it out, then somehow brainwashed into getting it done.

"Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reports Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-s...).

UPDATE: (This section added to the story Saturday at 2:30 pm central, July 21, 2012). It is now being reported that exotic, advanced booby-traps have been disarmed at the apartment of James Holmes. The Denver affiliate of CBS News is now reporting: (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/21/officials-expect-explosions-a...)

Officials say they have removed all major threats at the booby-trapped apartment of the Aurora movie theater shooting suspect on Saturday. They have used a robot to go inside James Holmes' apartment. ...They were able to disable a trip wire that was set to go off when the apartment door was opened. "This is some serious stuff that our team is dealing with..."

Shortly before noon crews were successful performing a controlled detonation... More controlled detonations were possible.

...there were multiple trip wires throughout the apartment. Investigators have also seen what appear to be mortars planted in the apartment -- sort of the kind of mortars that might be seen in a commercial fireworks show. Up to a half dozen of them are scattered around.

...they have seen a number of inflated balloons in the apartment... with many appearing to be filled with a powder. Also linked together are bottles of liquid. ...a strong smell of gasoline emanating from the apartment.

...several boxes on top of the refrigerator and there are lights flashing on the boxes.

...30 aerial shells (fireworks) commercially legally available for purchase. ...the suspect may have filled them with smokeless powder. ...entering the apartment would have caused a trip wire to trigger one liquid container to pour/mix with another. When the two mix together, they set off the main charge of the device which may be additional flammable liquids.

...an enormously dangerous mission. About 100 personnel are on scene.


And the BBC is now reporting: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18937726)

Technicians made a first attempt on Friday to disarm the traps, believed to include explosives, but withdrew when it became clear the property was too dangerous to enter. Sgt Carlson said the device was set up to detonate when the first person entered the flat. "We've defeated first threat. It was set up to kill, and that could have been police officers or anything," she said.

"In addition to the shells found in the apartment, jars of a kind of accelerant were also found inside the dwelling, said Aurora Police Sgt. Cassidee Carlson." (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577541032679...) "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates expressed frustration on Friday with the web of wires and devices Mr. Holmes had connected inside his apartment, which were hindering the investigation into the shooting. ...It was unlike anything he had seen before."

FBI has a track record of staging similar assaults, then stopping them at the last minute

This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI, of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar attacks, then stopping them right before they happen. See four documented stories on these facts:

http://www.naturalnews.com/035849_domestic_terror_plots_FBI.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/034325_FBI_entrapment_terror_plots.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/033751_FBI_terrorism.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/035757_FBI_terror_plots_false_flag.html

As you soak all this in, remember that the FBI had admitted to setting up terror plots, providing the weapons and gear, staging the location of the bombings and even driving the vehicles to pull it off! This is not a conspiracy theory, it's been admitted by the FBI right out in the open. Even the New York Times openly reports all this in stories like this one:

NYT: Terrorist Plots, Hatched by the F.B.I. (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-he...)

THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years -- or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts. But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. ...the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of "inert material," harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving...

Comment added for clarification: I'm on the record saying, in the video posted below, that the FBI is "80% good guys" and "20% bad guys," which is typical for almost any law enforcement organization. Most FBI men and women are working in the interests of upholding the law. It's only a relatively small number who engage in the kind of terrorism training mentioned by the New York Times, above.

Mystery man Holmes has no background

On top of all this, Holmes apparently has no background. "He's not on anybody's radar screen -- nothing," said a peace officer in a NYT article. "This guy is somewhat of an enigma. Nobody knows anything about him." (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/21/us/colorado-mall-shooting.html)

Mr. Holmes's only criminal history is a traffic summons, the authorities said. He earned a bachelor's degree with honors in neuroscience in 2010 from the University of California, Riverside, and was a graduate student in neurosciences at the University of Colorado at Denver's Anschutz Medical Campus... He was currently collecting unemployment...

Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear?

If you start to look at the really big picture here, the obvious question arises: How does an unemployed medical student afford all the complex weapons gear, bomb-making gear, "flammable" booby trap devices, ammunition, multiple magazines, bullet-proof vest, groin protection, ballistic helmet, SWAT uniform and all the rest of it?

Added July 22nd: "Police said Holmes spent months amassing explosives, weapons and ammunition." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explosives-removed-from-jame...)

A decent AR-15 rifle costs $1,000 or more all by itself. The shotgun and handgun might run another $800 total. Spare mags, sights, slings, and so on will run you at least another $1,000 across three firearms. The bullet-proof vest is easily another $800, and the cost of the bomb-making gear is anybody's guess. With all the specialty body gear, ammunition, booby-trap devices and more, I'm guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear, much of which is very difficult for civilians to get in the first place. Comment added: Don't forget the cost of all the training (thousands of dollars) and the bomb-making equipment. Holmes reportedly had 30 improvised grenades, mortars, binary liquids that explode when mixed, wires, exotic bomb equipment... this gets expensive very quickly (even if you can source this equipment!).

The mere manufacture of an explosive booby-trap device is, all by itself, a felony crime by the way. And remember: "Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates said Holmes' apartment is booby-trapped with a 'sophisticated' maze of flammable devices. It could take hours or days for authorities to disarm it," reported Yahoo News (http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/suspect-neuroscience-phd-s...).

Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps, tactical body armor, weapons systems and more? Certainly not in graduate school!

All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.

Update: An article posted on Sunday by the Daily Mail reveals Holmes had a "'mind-boggling' stash of ammunition" and "three types of explosives were found - jars filled with accelerates, chemicals that would explode when mixed together and more than 30 improvised grenades." This further adds to the financial cost tally of what it took to put all this together. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177156/James-Holmes-Dark-K...)

The Wall Street Journal is also now reporting: "the suspect bought four guns over the past 60 days, and over the Internet bought 3,000 rounds for an assault rifle, 3,000 rounds for Glock handguns and about 300 shotgun rounds. The suspect also had a 100-round drum-style magazine for the assault rifle that would have allowed him to fire 50 to 60 rounds a minute." (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577541032679...)

Note: Some readers have questioned the $20,000 figure estimated here, saying this gear could have been acquired for only $10,000 or so. I doubt that, as all the extras that you need to effectively run these guns cost a lot of money: training courses, spare magazines, etc. Just a decent AR-15 battle sight (a holographic red dot sight) can run $1,000 - $2,000. Search "ACOG" if you don't believe me. It is also reported that Holmes bought 6,000 rounds of ammo, which definitely isn't cheap either, especially given that we now know half of those rounds were rifle rounds. It's clear this guy was spending big bucks. Whether it's $10k or $20k isn't really that much of a point.

Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty?

More and more, this shooting is looking like a deliberate plot staged by the government itself much like Operation Fast and Furious pulled off by the ATF (http://www.naturalnews.com/032934_ATF_illegal_firearms.html) which helped smuggle tens of thousands of guns into Mexico for the purpose of causing "gun violence" in the USA, then blaming the Second Amendment for it.

All this looks like James Holmes completed a "mission" and then calmly ended that mission by surrendering to police and admitting everything. The mission, as we are now learning, was to cause as much terror and mayhem as possible, then to have that multiplied by the national media at exactly the right time leading up the UN vote next week on a global small arms treaty that could result in gun confiscation across America. (http://lewrockwell.com/eddlem/eddlem61.1.html)

Even Forbes.com wrote about this quite extensively, warning readers about the coming gun confiscation effort related to the UN treaty. The story was authored by Larry Bell (http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2011/06/07/u-n-agreement-shou...) and says the UN treaty could "override our national sovereignty, and in the process, provide license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights."

In other words, this has all the signs of Fast & Furious, Episode II. I wouldn't be surprised to discover someone in Washington was behind it all. After all, there's no quicker way to disarm a nation and take total control over the population than to stage violence, blame it on firearms, then call for leaders to "do something!" Such calls inevitably end up resulting in gun confiscation, and it's never too long after that before government genocide really kicks in like we saw with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and other tyrants.

Governments routinely murder millions

Here's a short list of government mass murder carried out throughout history, almost always immediately following the disarmament of the public (and usually involving staged false flag events to justify the disarmament):

50+ million dead: Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50)
12+ million dead: Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) - concentration camps, civilian deaths and dead Russian POWs
8+ million dead: Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)
6+ million dead: Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39)
5+ million dead: Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44)
2+ million dead: Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-22)
1.7 million dead: Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79)
1.6 million dead: Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94)
1.5 million dead: Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78)
1 million dead: Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970)
900,000 dead: Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982)
800,000 dead: Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994)
See more at:
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

Death by government:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP1.HTM
http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million...

A "monopoly of force" in government is far more dangerous than a crazed lone shooter

So yes, James Holmes and other crazed shooters kill a number of people each year in random acts of violence. It's horrifying and wrong, but it's nothing compared to the millions of lives that governments tend to destroy when they gain total power over the populace.

The most dangerous thing in the world, it turns out, is not a crazy person with a rifle; it's a government with a "monopoly of force" over the entire population. And that's exactly what the UN spells out as its goal for the world: Stripping all power from individual citizens and handing "monopolies of force" to the governments of the world, shoring up their positions as the only "legitimate" power on the planet.

See this document entitled, "Geneva Centre for the Democratic Control of Armed Forces (DCAF)" policy paper No. 24:
http://www.naturalnews.com/files/Revisiting-the-State-Monopoly-on-t...

As this document reveals, a table entitled "Governance solutions for reasserting the state monopoly on the use of force" lists the options available to governments to re-establish "monopolies of force" against their own people:

• (Re-)establish state monopoly
- Ownership of WMDs
- Safety Inspectorates

• Prohibit business activity
- Justice and Execution
- Deadly Force?

• Regulate/limit activities
- Private defense/security services
- Control of financial transfers
- Export controls
- Transport and infrastructure safety
- Environmental impact

Interestingly, that document also describes "terrorism" in a way that perfectly matches the Aurora, Colorado "Batman" movie theater shooter:

Terrorists aim to spread panic and fear in societies in order to achieve political goals, be they based on left- or right-wing, social-revolutionary, nationalistic or religious ideologies. They are organized in a clandestine way, most often in small groups and cells... Typical tactical means include kidnapping, hostage-taking, sabotage, murder, suicide attacks, vehicle bombs and improvised explosive devices.

A global monopoly of force

This document is a goldmine of information about the globalist agenda to disarm and enslave the population. Check out page 28, which reads:

The legitimate monopoly of force should not be limited to the nation-state but should be based on the local, national, regional and the global levels.

Global Security Governance and the Monopoly of Force

At the global level no monopoly of violence exists. The UN Security Council already has a monopoly power to authorize the use of force at the global level, although the UN was never given the necessary means to exercise this authority, such as the capacity to implement sanctions, a police force and armed forces...

This deficiency in global governance acts as a bottleneck and a barrier to the creation of the democratically legitimized monopoly of violence that is globally required.


This story gets deep, doesn't it? Watch for more analysis here at NaturalNews.com, where we still fight for liberty and justice in a world that's increasingly becoming enslaved.

UPDATE: Follow-up story now posted that asks the question: Why did no one fight back?

    " For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to policewithout resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

 

          Supposition ,  you claim to KNOW how his mind works ........

 

   "  If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up. "

 

           Supposition ,  you claim to KNOW how his mind works ........

 

   "  None of this checks out. If you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?  "

 

           " IF "  you're a killer .......

           Supposition ,  you claim to KNOW how his mind works ........

 

  " Holmes was clearly provided with exotic gear (and bomb-making skills)  "

      Clearly , give us the proof , if not it's only supposition .....

Continuing from CBS:

"He said pictures from inside the apartment are fairly disturbing and the devices look to be sophisticated, adding the booby-traps were 'something I've never seen.' One rifle, two handguns, a knife, a bullet proof vest, a ballistic helmet, a gas device, a gas mask, military SWAT clothing and unidentified explosives were also found in Holmes' car, a law enforcement source told CBS News. Oates said Holmes wore a gas mask, a ballistic helmet and vest as well as leg, groin and throat protectors during the shooting."

 

    You can buy surplus military and police clothing in shops and on line ...... as for guns , you can buy them anywhere ....

 

    "  This is not your run-of-the-mill crime of passion. It was a carefully planned, heavily funded and technically advanced attack. Who might be behind all this? The FBI, of course, which has a long history of setting up and staging similar attacks, then stopping them right before they happen. "  

 

      No , it's not a crime of passion , it's a crime of insanity/delusions of grandeur ...

but the fbi didn't stop this one , so you're saying that this was planned and funded by the fbi 'cos they've done this before and stopped the attack yet that they didn't stop this one is proof of their involvement ....

 

     reductio ad absurdum !

 

   

  " Question: How does an unemployed medical student afford $20,000 in weapons gear? " 

     "  I'm guessing this is at least $20,000 in weapons and tactical gear,.... "  

 

   So you're GUESSING  as to the amont of money he needed ....

 

     "  Don't forget the cost of all the training (thousands of dollars) and the bomb-making equipment ... " 

 

   what training is needed to point and fire a gun that will cost   "thousands of dollars" ?

 

   Making a device which will explode if a wire or such is tsipped is not that hard , I could make an incendiary device using nothing but what I find in a kitchen ... so could you ...

 

     "Question: Where does an unemployed, introverted medical school student get the training to deploy sophisticated booby traps ...... " 

 

    By watching films and TV series ( half fill a lightbulb with flamable liquid and wait for someone to turn the light switch [don't stay in the room to watch] .... take a packet of cigarettes and soak the cigarettes in hot water then use a siringe to inject the liquid into someone and they'll be dead in less than 30min )   learnt these in films and tv shows , just an example of the falseness of your claim that to do this needs special traing .... 

PS , don't try this and then say it was my suggestion in order to kill someone ...

 

     " All this leads to an obvious third party influence over all this. Someone else taught this guy these skills and funded the acquisition of the equipment.   "

 

   Just another false statement used as FACT  (4yrs of analytical psychology and stage hypnosis and you will understand how words and sentences if properly formed can convince you that something is true without any factual basis)

 

      

  "Staged just in time for a vote on the UN small arms treaty?   "

    People said that the pro-gun meeting after Columbine hosted by Charlton Heston was organized to persuade people to keep their guns and that it was disrespectful, when in fact the meeting was in preperation for over a year before hand and they had invested in the event over a million dollars , and it would have been an enourmous waste of money to cancel... ( Charlton Heston NEVER said "if you want my gun you'll have to ply it from my cold dead hands ) at the columbine meeting as portrayed in the so called documentary by Michael Moore .... more lies and false claims by Mr Moore can be seen in the documentary "MICHAEL MOORE HATES AMERICA" ....."MICHAEL MOORE , ANGEL OR DEMON"  and  "FAHRENHYPE 911"  (HYPE)

   In conclusion and in reply to Robert , NO Eugene does not give any EVIDENCE , only supposition and conjecture .....

      No disrespect intended , so please don't scream your angry response , but give THE FACTS instead of assuming how the mind of a madman works , and then claiming your assumptions as evidence .....

    REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM. 

 

       

      

Hi George.

No I am not out to argue with you. I see things or not, you see things or not. We all just say what we see and we bring other points of view to the table like Mike Adams input here for example. No need to attack another. If one feels the NEED to attack another speaker then that would reveal a lot about the attacker in question. You revealed yourself nicely so far.

The question hangs. If it is so important to a person that he would sacrifice his/her peace to do an all out badmouthing of people with opposing views to his/her own and DEMAND proof and what have you, then what would that person's investment be? What would compel a person to demand that he or she is right and not just let it go?

When one really knows that water is whet and another does not believe him then "so be it" right? Unless ofcourse that person has an investment in being right, or maybe trying to convince him or herself by convincing others.

:-) eugene

  Cher Eugene , I'm not the one who is attacking. You posted a lengthy message on page 3 , with lots of quotes from newspapers and web sites , interspersed with these quotes ( which told us only the facts about the shooting and nothing about his alledged connections to fbi/cia) were comments from you like " why would a killer do this or that " or " if a killer wanted to " .... Robert said  "Eugene has provided evidence " which is false. You provided NO evidence , only supposition and conjecture.  

   Evidence means tangible facts , if you have no facts to support your claim then it is not evidence it is guess work , and you are implying something which may provide food for thought but it is not fact nor evidence .

"The question hangs. If it is so important to a person that he would sacrifice his/her peace to do an all out badmouthing of people with opposing views to his/her own and DEMAND proof and what have you, then what would that person's investment be? What would compel a person to demand that he or she is right and not just let it go? " 

 

   Maybe you should read Roberts replys to my questions ...... I'm not badmouthing Robert HE is badmouthing me . I am being polite and respectful in the face of his accusation of "working for the fbi"

 

 Demanding proof is what must be done when someone claims something to be FACT . If one simply or blindly accepts someones statements to be FACT or EVIDENCE then... Billy Meier, Charles Manson , Bob White , Joseph Smith are all telling the truth and anyone who diagrees is a gouvernment agent , no need to question them or ask for proof . 

 

Bob said (concerning 911) that he knew it was planned by the gouvernment 'cos the keymaster TOLD HIM there were explosives .... I asked he provide evidence , he did not , he insulted and accused and avoided giving evidence which implies he has none , and thus making false claims. 

 

   If I were to say (for example) "I was American , and when I lived in America my next door neighbour was called (for example) Mr. Bob P.  who raped me ,my brother and sister when we were kids, and video'd and took pictures. When our parents , and I, tried to take "Bob" to court , we found out "Bob" was a CIA employee and that the gouvernment coverd up the affair , sent me to England to be adopted by an English couple and destroyed the evidence . " 

 

  I would have to provide evidence of this ... " OOoh ! but there is no evidence , which is proof of the CIA's and gouvernments cover up , and that Bob is a CIA agent " 

 

  that is post hoc ergo propter hoc ... you cannot say that the lack of evidence is proof of something .......

 

   I would like to see evidence of what has been claimed but none has been provided so one can only assume that there is NO EVIDENCE . that doesn't mean that there is none or that the claims are false , it MEANS you have no evidence , so stop calling it evidence and say the truth which is  " I BELIEVE THIS OR THAT TO BE TRUE ,  I HAVE NO PROOF BUT I FIND THIS SUSPICIOUS " 

 

  That would be honest .

 

   

AND GOING AND GOING AND GOING 

Well if you read what you believe to be my words thorough enough you would see on the top "By Mike Adams" and at the bottom a link to the article.

They are not my words but merely more points to ponder from other people.

Conspiracies and cover-ups by their very nature would not have much you can call "hard evidence" this is where we have to think for ourselves. Like Mike who takes the claims of the media and then compares it with counter facts.

Example the media claims hes a psycho killer. So Mike says If that were true...IF he was a killer (Like the media would have you believe) THEN why would he warn them about the traps? Or Why would he not spend all his ammo and kill the whole theatre of people.

IF he was jobless, where did he get the money for all the ammo firearms and bomb and swat equipment?

To me this is all sound thinking. That is why I posted it.

This discussion is not about 911 so if one mentions it bye and bye it is acceptable. But to make it it an issue or demand to make it so then one would have to do that somewhere else in its own discussion. We all know 911 was an inside Job so we might refer to it in example or something but demanding proof for it and getting sidetracked here is not the place.

If it really bothers you then open a discussion with all the stuff you have and make a stand on that issue

    Eugene ....

I stand corrected (in that they are not your words but those of Mike Adams) 

   Yet you go on to say .... and I quote ...

          " Conspiracies and cover-ups by their very nature would not have much you can call "hard evidence" this is where we have to think for ourselves. Like Mike who takes the claims of the media and then compares it with counter facts. " 

           Then you quote what mike says 

  

    " So Mike says   ' If that were true...IF he was a killer (Like the media would have you believe) THEN why would he warn them about the traps? Or Why would he not spend all his ammo and kill the whole theatre of people.

IF he was jobless, where did he get the money for all the ammo firearms and bomb and swat equipment? ... ' 

   As I said  ... " IF "  that were true ,  " IF "  he were a killer THEN why would he warn ....why would he not ...... " IF "  he was jobless  "where" did he get the money ...... (I am  "jobless" in as much that I work no more than 30days a year , but 2yrs ago I won some money on the European lottery [not alot of money] and I bought myself a camping car for 50000e....  does that mean to anyone who doesn't know of my winnings that I was funded by some  alphabet organisation ? or that I had robbed a bank ? = NO , it only means that those who are UNAWARE of my good luck don't know I had won the money) ( I could also have inherrited the money from a dead relative ) 

    These are not "facts" nor are they "counter facts"  AS YOU STATED !!!

   THEY ARE SUPPOSITION AND CONJECTURE .......Mike is assuming he KNOWS  how the mind of a madman/crazy killer /insane /deranged/unstable person works and , not only that , but he claims to know how the mind works of THIS madman/crazy killer/insane/deranged/unstable person .... ( not all madmen think the same) 

     And Robert calls this evidence and you call them "counter facts" ....

  Those are false statements and calling them evidence or counter facts is misleading .

    You say " we have to think for ourselves " yet you quote someones "speculations" and call them counter facts....and Robert calls it evidence ....

      using someones spectulations, supposition , conjecture , guess work as EVIDENCE or FACTS and saying it points to a cover up is NOT sound thinking , nor is it thinking for oneself .... you are presuming that what he said is the truth and stating it as fact...

   IF you presume he is telling the truth , (which you can only do  as there is no evidence )without questioning, then you must presume that Billy Meier , Charles Manson , Bob White, Joseph Smith , Richard C. Hoagland, Fred Phelps, David Icke , etc., etc., etc., are all telling the truth . ( THAT is why we must think for OURSELVES) and questioning the reasoning , logic of ones argument is how we do it. Not questioning is NOT THINKING.

   

I am sorry George.

Your point of view is not convincing to me. It appears that all you are doing here is saying that what everyone else is saying is wrong. You have no proof for what you claim. Neither do we. Not hard evidence except for a warning given to the FBI that such events could happen quite recently. Coincidence? Maybe, but in the light of all else I find that less coincident.

But then when we move one up in a reality where no one has evidence then the best we have is our own reason and the little probability based on the FBI warning and our knowledge of mass conditioning as it has been done before. Mike Adams reason is sound enough for me.

The way you continue countering the WORDS being said with your own words that is even more meaningless as it stands on more pure more groundless conjecture, only shows an attempt to discredit anyone who says what you don't want to be said.

I find the speculations of the people who smell a cover-up closer to reality than your wild speculations as to why what they say could be wrong. It seems an attempt to discredit these speculations rather than an attempt to get at what is most probable or more true.

You can spend a lot of time saying everyone is wrong, but it would be easier to just say what you think is right in this case. So lay it on the table for us. What is your complete take on the story?

Oh and by the way. I think the people who spoke Latin died a long time ago  so if you wish to be understood then it would be wiser to use a simple language that everyone alive can understand. Using Latin on an English forum does not make sense to me. In more ways than one LOL

 You are misleading again , I never said " what everyone else is saying is wrong" nor do I imply it . What I am saying ( and I don't know how to be more clear in my explications)  THERE ARE NO FACTS  only supposition , conjecture and speculation .....

    "  You have no proof for what you claim."

 

 I claim nothing other than the statements  "evidence , facts , counter facts " are false and misleading , which they are ,even you admit that in the next three words  because you state .......

 

           "Neither do we. "

  THEN STOP CALLING WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE FACT , EVIDENCE , COUNTER FACT.  .... I never claimed to KNOW the facts nor did I imply the such , What I have stated is that THERE ARE NO FACTS ... THERE IS NO EVIDENCE .

  " The way you continue countering the WORDS being said with your own words that is even more meaningless.... " 

 

   THATS HOW PEOPLE COMMUNICATE AND DISCUSS DIFFERENT OPINIONS ...... that is not meaningless , unless you don't understand the english language very well 

 

     " I find the speculations of the people who smell a cover-up closer to reality than your wild speculations as to why what they say could be wrong..... " 

 

      What  Mike implies, and that Robert states as evidence,  IS wrong and my "wild spectulations" are THE DEFINITION OF THE WORDS .  .... 

 

    What do  I think ?  THERE ARE NO FACTS ..... THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ..... SPECULATION IS PROOF OF NOTHING......  implying the such is misleading at the least or blatant lies at worst .  

 

     Untill there is EVIDENCE there can be nothing other than supposition and guess work . And an analytical open mind can only conclude that the guy is a nut job , untill proof of the contrary ...

 

   ( lack of evidence is not proof of a cover up, it does not mean there is a cover up , it only means that there is a lack of evidence) 

 

    And in conclusion DOUBTING the claims of someone (or the claims of loose change for example) does not make one a debunker or a mindwashed sheep following the official story without question nor does it mean that I BELIEVE the official story , on the contrary ACCEPTING the claims of someone (Mike's)  (  the claims in Loose Change )  without question and refusing to debate the subject DOES make one a sheep , with no analytical , objective , open minded rational, logical thought of ones own. 

 

  Post hoc ergo propter hoc = using the result as proof that the method was right .... ( lack of evidence as proof there is a cover up...=  there was a cover up that is why there is no evidence ) 

 

     Reductio ad absurdum = the logical  FALLACY of extending someones argument to rediculous proportions  and then criticizing the result .... 

 

    PS : - " Your point of view is not convincing to me. " .... I'm not trying to convince you or any one , I'm just trying to warn people of the misleading statements and false claims of FACT , COUNTER FACT , EVIDENCE ,  which implies something that does not exist and can easily be missinterpreted by a reader. 

 

  PPS : - You are part of the administration , if I am not mistaken ,  so I would appreciate it that instead of saying that I "BADMOUTHED" someone  WHICH I DIDN'T  (because I disagreed with him [Robert] ? )  that you pull him up on the disrespectful way he called me BOY in a very derogatory turn of phrase , more than once . I remained polite in the face of his namecalling and accusations of being an FBI/CIA disinformation agent working for the gouvernment and all his childish insults . I HAVE STAYED CALM AND EXPRESSED MYSELF INTELLIGENTLY AND LOGICALLY  and have "badmouthed"  no one..  Stating that I have done so is just another example of saying something that is not true, using it as fact, and then telling me off for it . 

I am a member like you foremost. Administrative work only comes into play when needed.

Now you say.

" What do  I think ?  THERE ARE NO FACTS ..... THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ..... SPECULATION IS PROOF OF NOTHING......  implying the such is misleading at the least or blatant lies at worst . 
"

So in effect all you are doing here with so much effort and argument is saying that those who smell a rat are wrong. You have no purpose of your own other than to counter anyone who claims they smell a rat.

"THEN STOP CALLING WHAT YOU CLAIM TO BE FACT , EVIDENCE , COUNTER FACT.  .... I never claimed to KNOW the facts nor did I imply the such , What I have stated is that THERE ARE NO FACTS ... THERE IS NO EVIDENCE ."

When the guy could have killed more than he did and he didn't. I call it fact,

When he warned the police about his booby traps it is a fact.

When he calmly gave himself up it is a fact.

These facts contradict the media image that he is a ruthless psycho killer.

Now you can say these are not facts and not evidence of anything just to support your purpose for spending so much time and words to tell them they are wrong.
 It does not change the facts, and the facts are contradicting what they sell the sheeple.

"implying the such is misleading at the least or blatant lies at worst "

So you are saying that the stuff they sell the sheeple are correct and anyone who suspects something else are blatantly lying? Even after they cite why they say what they do? That is not sound reasoning.

That is merely trying to shout them down, so to speak.

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